. >> rick: the chairman of the foreign civic pac, outreach director for john mccain's presidential campaign. ryan clayton is a democratic campaign consultant, founder of 100 proof politics.com. good to see you. our first chat since election day. ford, let me start with you. i am an optimist at heart. and i saw the lawmakers more than from that meeting at the white house yesterday. they sounded like there might be an opportunity to get a deal done. what do you think? >> i'm hopeful. they're clearly striking the right public tone, but i'm not all that confident. i think that's really going to happen here is we're probably going to agree to a framework and put a stop gap in here. we're going to buffet up against the debt creel not guilty march. this is a little fiscal cliff, a little of the debt ceiling. we really need to get our fiscal house in order. the question is how. >> rick: ryan, revenue is on the table. the republicans are using the word. they say they're for it. what can the democrats put on the table? what should democrats say they would be willing to cut in terms of spending? >> th